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CRMcNeill
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| Jedi Skyler wrote: | | Personally, when I first saw this thread, I was thinking more along the lines of ray shielding being applicable here; without having studied ray shields, I'm simply spouting ideas. However, it seemed like that might be a way to do the visuals...perhaps even ray shielding mixed with repulsorlift technology... |
I'm having some difficulty visualizing the physics of such a system, too, but I'm not entirely sure repulsorlifts tech is what we're looking at here. The physics behind the phrase "matter is energy condensed" is somewhat tenuous, but we already have examples in the EU of energy fields of varíous shapes being capable of mimicking various properties of matter. I prefer exploring a new tech avenue rather than just defaulting back to repulsorlifts.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | The films would suggest otherwise. In four of the six films, docking bays use energy shields to contain the air, and do not appear to need them closed even during the heat of battle (the Invisible Hand during the Battle of Coruscant). It'seven possible that the field strength can be varied as needed, being turned down to levels that keep atmosphere contained at normal pressure while allowing solid objects to pass through, or turned up to levels that rival the ship's Hull in durability (recall in ROTS that Obi-Wan was concerned about the Invisible Hand's bay shields still being up as his fighter was approaching it, and Anakin had to take out the shield generator so they could enter the bay). |
I disagree that the films suggest anything contrary to what I've said. I see the shields of capital ship docking bays as using a lot of power, but of course they have access to a lot of power and they have a vital purpose. The "ray shields" that capture Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palpatine on Grevious' ship are powered by a capital ship, and they were not needed for long term use (They just hold the prisoners until the battle droids come to take custody of them). The 'light bridge' you posit that Luke destroyed the controls for on the Death Star has a Death Star-scale power source. I did not think you meant the emergency light bridge being discussed as being powered by a capital ship. And the lack of using the tech for minor mundane things like furniture is supported by the films because all furniture shown is the normal physical sort.
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CRMcNeill
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Okay. The point I thought you were making was that even capital ship powered shields of this type could only be kept up for a short time. I agree with you on the arguments against mundane and common usage.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Naaman wrote: | Well the ideas I presented were more for emergency/survival scenarios (like an easy up, or for a surface for gutting fish or layingf a map, for example), not meant for long term/luxury use.
But, if we are looking for other uses than walls or bridge, I got nothing else for now. |
IMO, a high-tech solution that simply requires a flat surface would be a repulsor-table or repulsor-stool, basically a table or chair with a built in tractor/pressor field that locks onto the ground and keeps the surface suspended a set height above ground. Repulsor-tech seems a lot more common in the SWU than light-barrier tech. |
Except that with repulsor tech, you need to carry the whole table and all that weight with you. A projector type of item that simply emits the surface could be more portable. |
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| Naaman wrote: | | crmcneill wrote: | | Naaman wrote: | Well the ideas I presented were more for emergency/survival scenarios (like an easy up, or for a surface for gutting fish or layingf a map, for example), not meant for long term/luxury use.
But, if we are looking for other uses than walls or bridge, I got nothing else for now. |
IMO, a high-tech solution that simply requires a flat surface would be a repulsor-table or repulsor-stool, basically a table or chair with a built in tractor/pressor field that locks onto the ground and keeps the surface suspended a set height above ground. Repulsor-tech seems a lot more common in the SWU than light-barrier tech. |
Except that with repulsor tech, you need to carry the whole table and all that weight with you. A projector type of item that simply emits the surface could be more portable. |
This "portable" nich is filled by the prefabricated memory plastic construction mentioned in (I think,) Dark Force Rising.
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CRMcNeill
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| Naaman wrote: | | Except that with repulsor tech, you need to carry the whole table and all that weight with you. A projector type of item that simply emits the surface could be more portable. |
However, this presupposes that the field projector and power generator will be equally weightless, else you will end up lugging them around just like a repulsor-table. And of the two forms of tech, repulsorlifts are already equipped to reduce or negate weight.
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This is an idea from the 1st edition rulebook for Warhammer 40,000 as a vehicle add-on. I've been wanting to convert it over, so I'm just going to throw some rules together to get people thinking.
Power Canopy
Capsule: A power canopy is a field generated screen used to seal off an open-top vehicle from the atmosphere. When activated, it provides protection both from the elements and from attack. Since it serves as a virtual solid surface, weapons can not be fired through it, although many power canopies are segmented in design, so that "window" sections may be lowered or raised as needed. In addition, power canopies have adjustable opacity for privacy, so that a field may be completely transparent, fully opaque or of varying degrees of translucence.
Game Effect: When activated, a power canopy increases the vehicles Cover from either 1/2 or 3/4 or 3/4 to Full.
Installation Options:
-At GM's discretion, power canopies may be installed in some or all partial coverage vehicles. If the GM does not want this tech to be uniform, it is best limited to luxury vehicles, such as limo-speeders or sports craft.
-Power Canopies may be installed after market in existing craft, at a Cost of 500 credits per 1/4 increase in coverage per D of Hull (Availability 2), and weight 20 kilograms for every 500 credits of Cost. If the craft lacks sufficient cargo capacity to install a power canopy, it may still install the canopy at a cost of -5 Move for every 500 credits of value.
For Example, an XP-34 Landspeeder would require a power canopy that cost 2,000 credits and weighed 80 kilograms. This would exceed its listed cargo capacity of 10 kilograms, so the craft's owner chooses to take a slight reduction in speed from 115; 330kph to 95; 270kph.
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