Let's talk Star Destroyers!

Mojomoe · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:18 pm Post subject:

Fear not, I'm still working, between other things.

Last I checked in, my focus was on working out the living accommodations in the Quarters section, lower superstructure. My largest concern was that, given the total number of people on board (~40,000-50,000), I can quarter almost the entirety of that in ~4 decks. So mostly it's a numbers game ATM, trying to figure out how much redundant space is really there. Any input is welcome!

I was buoyed recently though to find deckplans for the Nebulon B in the Far Orbit Project, which I'd never seen. Deck plans of such a large ship give me both inspiration and insight into the layout of larger vessels.

Rezikai · Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:01 pm Post subject:

Rezikai · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject:

By the way I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this in this thread before but while only visable a few moments in the begining the interior of a ISD or Victory can be seen as Tie Pilots lock in and launch out (and some walkers for good measure to)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tBM2ZfncoU

if this was already posted I apologize.

Mikael Hasselstein · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:42 am Post subject:

Mojomoe · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:14 am Post subject:

That clip is amazing!

It's funny how much the fan speculation has coalesced when it comes to this stuff. That's exactly what I interpolated the hallways to look like as well. It's really neat when all this stuff aligns Smile

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Mikael speaks the truth! This project is long-burn, as I mentioned, but far from dead. (Actually, my wife and I have both changed jobs recently, and it looks like we've got our first padawan on the way, so I've been looking forward to jumping back to this).

Mikael is doing kickass logistical support with numbers and organization, and I've found some very expedient ways to build the ship in vector with repeated components. I even came up with a shader in Max to give me accurate cross sections of the Fractalsponge model down to the polygon, so we'll have flawless deck slices to work from!

And ideally the logistics can be discussed here to keep people involved and aware of progress!

Mikael Hasselstein · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject:

Though I have not watched it, I've seen enough clips and stills from the new Star Wars: Rebels show.

It seems to be introducing a new Giraffe-class Star Destroyer.

And then there's the hangar:

I'm not the sort of person who embraces a the-sky-is-falling attitude, and I do think there's a lot of good to be said for (what I've seen of) Rebels, but.

This is ...

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:43 pm Post subject:

Indeed. Quality control at its sarcastic finest. When artists take liberties, continuity is the first casualty.
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Zarm R'keeg · Commander Joined: 14 Apr 2012 Posts: 481 Location: PA

Considering the time period and the number of SD variants we've seen, perhaps this truly is intended to be another class? Real-world, I don't think its artistic license; a lot of these designs are stated to be based on original McQuarie art (just like the TIE fighters looking different). But in-universe, I'd imagine that's just likely to result in a new in-between class of ship.
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Ral_Brelt · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 05 May 2013 Posts: 221

Not to mention that this SD is in atmo, which is something that an ISD couldn't do apparently since they made a point of one of the VSD being able to accomplish.

Dromdarr_Alark · Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:39 pm Post subject:

It's also a cartoon representation.
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Mikael Hasselstein · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:22 am Post subject:

Has there been any further work on this in recent months?

Mojomoe · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:04 pm Post subject:

There has, on and off!

Holidays have my goat right now, as it were, but whenever I have spare time I'm working out logistical problems for room layout and correlating functions throughiut the ship. Heh, we always knew this would be a big, LONG project, so I'm pacing as best I can. Apologies for, and my thanks in tolerating, the delays.

Last we'd talked, Mikael, we'd landed on me doing the vector heavy lifting, and you doing logistical work ups, specifically in regards to crew assignment, rank structure, and how many of each type of personnel were assigned where. Is that something we could pick up?

Having the discussion here would be super helpful if think, then everyone could weigh in.

And YES, regarding what was posted above - I was SO excited to see the ISD pop up in Rebels - WITH INTERIORS! I've been glued to the show, happily eating up any new ISD info that pops up and incorporating it into layouts.

Mikael Hasselstein · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:00 am Post subject:

Hey, it's good to hear from you. I have to say my mind has been away from this and more on work.

I think where we left off was your (Mojomoe) idea of the division-by-six, where from the XO on down, each officer is in charge of six departments, divisions, sections, etc. The exceptions to that would be the legion, which (according to the Imperial Sourcebook) generally works by a base-4, just like in the RW. The starfighter squadron works by a (((2x2=)4x3=)12x6=)72.

The first separation-into-six would be the following departments, with some of the departments, divided out into divisions, and then sections/squadrons/battalions, followed by units/flights/companies, and elements/platoons.

Starfighters

Wing

Squadron 1

Squadron 2

Squadron 3
Squadron 4
Squadron 5
Squadron 6

Flight Control
Maintenance
Ordnance
Training
Administration

Shuttles

Protocol Shuttles

Landing barges

Dropships

Supply ships

Maintenance

Administration

Stormtrooper Legion

1st Regiment

1st Battalion

2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion
4th Battalion

2nd Regiment
3rd Regiment
4th Regiment
Intelligence
Logistics

Deck

Helm
Weapons
Shields
Engineering
Computers
Maintenance

Operations

Combat Direction Center
Tactical Intelligence
Sensors
Astrogation
Communications
Electronic Counter Measures

Administration

ISB
Security
Supply & Logistics
Bookkeeping
Medical
Training

I don't recall what you worked out for the numbers on this, but I don't see why each department would have the same number of crewers. Each department, division, etc. would require persons depending on their function.

Still, we might assume that the ship operates three shifts, and so each single job would have three people assigned to it. Once person to do it, another on call, and a third asleep.

Anyway, I can think all of this out in multiple different ways, but I'm not sure what way is the most useful to us. We already have an idea of the officer/enlisted/stormtrooper breakdown (which is roughly 1 officer for each 3 enlisted and 1 trooper). If we use the hierarchy above (department/division/section/unit/element), then we have the following levels/ranks

CO (1)

Department Chiefs (XO, Fighter Wing Commander, Shuttle Wing Commander, High Colonel, Officer of the Deck, Operations Officer), holding the rank of Senior Commander (5+1 ie. 5 naval officers and 1 stormtrooper commander)

Division Chiefs (e.g. the Executive Starfighter/Shuttle Wing Commanders, Flight Director - Main Hangar/Secondary Hangar, Lt. Colonel of a stormtrooper regiment, Quartermaster of Astrogation, Officer of the Watch of the Helm Division, Chief Engineer, Snr. Political Officer of the ISB, Master at Arms of the Security Division, Chief Steward), holding the rank of Junior Commander or Lt. Colonel (~30+4)

Section Heads (e.g. Squadron Leader, Second Engineer, Battalion Commander), holding the rank of Senior Lieutenant or Major. (~180+16)

Unit Leads (e.g. flight commander, platoon leader, battery officer), holding the rank of Junior Lieutenant or captain. (~1080+64

Element Leads (e.g. gun officer, platoon leader), holding the rank of ensign/midshipman or lieutenant. (~6480 + 252)

Enlisted

While the Stormtrooper Legion has 9148 enlisted men to the 337 officers, with a ratio of 27:1, the Navy only has about 3-4 per officer. That ratio is much higher for the security, engineering and maintenance departments/divisions, than for the Operations Department or the medical division.

More to be worked out; headed to bed now.

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