Starships and MAPs

[DarthOmega]

I know there's at least half a dozen threads on this topic, but none of them quite covered what I was looking for. For starship combat I like to make sure everyone is involved, not just the pilot. So someone on a gun (the player's current ship has a single turret), someone doing shields and making the damage resist rolls, someone doing communications and sensors, and of course someone maneuvering and piloting the ship.

So my question is, is the ship one single entity and everyone's rolls suffer because of MAPs, or do the characters only suffer MAPs if they are doing multiple actions themselves?
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[CRMcNeill]

IIRC, NPC ships are treated as single entities for the sake of simplicity. Players performing roles on a ship only suffer MAPs through their own actions, such as if a captain tried to pilot and command in the same round. Naturally, mishaps from failed rolls may also affect the crew too.
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[DarthOmega]

Awesome! That's what I was hoping as I hate leaving players out during any scene. Thanks.
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[CRMcNeill]

No prob. Of course, other factors come into play, such as if the pilot makes a sudden maneuver, it has the potential to throw off the aim of the gunner if his weapons turret isn't stabilized against ship maneuvers. There was a thread here about that recently... here.
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[atgxtg]

Yeah, each character only suffers MAPs from thier own actions. Although, as previously mentioned, what the pilot does might affect other character's actions, as the GM sees fit.

Oh, and I'm not sure single entity MAPs does apply to NPC ships. Most bad guy fighters (TIEs) are single person ships, so the MAPs would stack. But something like an ISD has thousands of crew, so I'd always ignored MAPs, since they obviously had different crewmen steering the ship, working the weapons, shields, sensors and so forth.

[CRMcNeill]

Of course, for a single pilot ship with fixed forward weaponry like the TIE, it could be argued that piloting and aiming the weaponry are essentially the same thing, with gunnery pretty much just handling the timing of actually pressing the firing button. How that would translate into dice bonuses and MAPs is anyone's guess. I know we've talked about it here before...
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[garhkal]

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[garhkal]

I don't like it.. While i could see a free half move while shooting with no maps, at teh speeds in the trench that they were flying, they would have had to be doing at least a difficult piloting check for the terrain, which imo is beyond the scope for a 'free move'.
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[CRMcNeill]

garhkal has a good point, but I'm on the fence. While flying down the trench would be technically difficult, it is more a matter of precision and small movements. Which is pretty much what would be required to line up the proton torpedo shot. Maybe increase the base difficulty of the piloting roll by one level, but allow the roll as a free action?
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[atgxtg]

It really doesn't matter how fast you are flying if the walls are straight. It's when the guy towers open or the TIEs come in on your "six" where it gets difficult.

But the actual flight down the trench could be handled with cruise control, if an X-Wing has that.

IMO the way it should be is that going faster doesn't make straight and level fight that much tougher, it just makes it less forgiving when you mess up. Instead of scratching the paint you tear off an S-foil and spiral into a wall.

And I think the MAP avoided shouldn't be enough to t offset the increased difficulty due to speed. In my house rules going a high speed up the difficulties by 1 step (+5), so it's not much of a benefit.

[garhkal]

Well, since by the RAW going at cautious speed (half) is a 'free movement action' according to page 123 and 124, in terrain of Very easy through moderate, and is one cat less in difficult or higher terrain.
Cruise speed (normal move) its an action (for MAP purposes) but no roll is required for the same V/easy through moderate terrain, a roll IS required at regular diff for Difficult or higher terrain.
High speed (double) its a roll for all terrain (and therefore a map too) but difficult or higher terrain shifts up one category (heroic adds 10). And at all out (quad speed), V/easy through moderate terrain the diff is increased one cat upward while difficult and higher gets a +2 cat shift (or +20 for heroic).

Since luke WAS shooting, they were not going all out, but they went in at a high rate of speed, so the trench run was at least done at cruise through high speed. All we now need to figure out was whether the trench run was an Very easy, easy, moderate, difficult, very difficult or heroic terrain level for that piloting roll, as unfortunately even the Death star tech companion book does not mention what the diff level was for running it..
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