The Medical Sourcebook

[Luwingo_Spince]

i think a Rancor is actually 7D but potato, pototo. so how about this then

Technobeast Virus
Symptoms: Destruction of frontal lobes, Cyberization of body
Type: Contact, Inhalation, Broken Skin
Incubation Period: Depends on the the initial Contagious roll. Fail by 5 or less, then its hours between checks. Fail by 5 to 10, then its in 10 min increments. Fail by 10-15, in one min increments.
Contagious: Contact Moderate, Inhalation Very High, Broken Skin Very High.
Damage: Special (see game notes)
Affected species: All
Cure: None
Rarity: Rare
Time period: Sictis Wars
Game Stats: Once the nano virus has entered the bloodstream the character has 5 checks to purge virus from the body. (see Incubation period to determine length of check) If using stamina the difficulty to roll is Heroic+5. If a jedi they can use control disease power at an Heroic difficulty. A jedi could also use control disease on another at Heroic+5 difficulty to purge the virus. To determine how the virus effects the person depends on when they purge the virus from their body.
Check /Effect
1st check/ nothing
2nd check/ Cyberization of legs
3rd check/ Cyberization of arms
4th check/ Cyberization of torso and major organs
5th check/ Destruction of frontal lobe, Weapons and Cyberization complete.

Capsule: Technobeasts were created by the Dark Lord Belia Darzu, and were considered the most frightening aspect of the Sictis Wars. Using a variation of mechu-deru, Darzu was able to develop a technovirus that immediately began to turn the organic creature into a droid hybrid. The frontal lobes of the victims' brains were lobotomized by the virus, making them incapable of higher thought, by which point the process was irreversible. While Technobeasts were never alike, they often had sharp protrusions on their arms, by which they could infect others. Some were even designed to release a cloud of the technovirus in combat. However it was possible to kill the technovirus before it reached the frontal lobes through the Force, however reversing the techno process was much more difficult.

[garhkal]

Much better.
Now as another q.. There are some species out there who by nature are already genetically modified/cyborged (iskalon and the clones from where Dorsk 81 home world).. Would they suffer penalties or would their bodies have more of a resistance?
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[Luwingo_Spince]

wow good question.

I could see the Iskalon go either way. But I think I would lean towards a resistance since they are always upgrading themselves and as the description of them says "continually forcing their bodies to adapt to new physical conditions". This probably would make them have a +1D to Stamina to resist Techno viruses or make them one level lower in difficulty.

Now the Khommites- They have been genetically modified to fit into a particular role of society. Now particular members of that society might have some resistance but I don't think the khommites as a whole would.

[garhkal]

For the Iskalon i could see the lower diff rather than a flat +1d to the roll..
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[Luwingo_Spince]

[garhkal]

The big thing i would add is the force feedback for those who are force users who face clones that were done with Sparrti cloning tanks.

I would also come up with a list of duration and roll needed to make cloned limbs/organs etc, all the way up to a full on cloned person.
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[Luwingo_Spince]

Hows this just off the top of my head.

Product Difficulty Time Kamino/ Spaarti
Cloned Arm/Leg Very Easy 4 days/ 20 hours
Cloned Secondary Organs Easy 1 week/ 1 day
i.e kidney, gallbladder
Cloned Major organs Easy 1 month/ 3 days
i.e Heart, stomach, lungs
Cloned brain Moderate 2 months/2 weeks
Clone Difficult 1year/ 1year

As to the force feedback how about this
A force sensitive character will sense how wrong a cloned person is to the force. Difficulty can be resisted by a willpower or Control roll. If roll fails then character is distracted by a buzzing in his head and finds it hard to concentrate. -1D to all skill rolls
A clone that is a different species than the character Very Easy
Clone is same species Easy
A Clone who is a clone of the character Difficult

[Luwingo_Spince]

Force resonance is a big problem for developing clones minds. This can lead to psychosis and clone madness. Longer periods of time in the decanting process gives their minds time to adjust to this resonance. Standard time for a Clone to decant in a Kamino cloning chamber is 1 year and 1 year for a Spaarti. These times can be lengthened or shortened depending on need. If shortened this increases the difficulty of the cloning process and the likelihood of the clone suffering clone madness. A force sensitive clone is even more susceptible to this effect.

Time Difficulty
+50 % Reduce difficulty by 2 levels, clone is stable.
+25% Reduce difficulty by 1 level, clone is stable. If force sensitive Roll 1D unstable on roll of 1.
0% Clone is stable, If force sensitive Roll 1D unstable on roll of 1,2.
-25% Increase Difficulty by 1 level, Roll 1D clone is unstable on a roll of 1. If force sensitive unstable on a roll of 1-3.
-50% Increase Difficulty by 2 levels, Roll 1D clone is unstable on a roll of 1,2. If force sensitive unstable on a roll of 1-4.
-75% Increase Difficulty by 3 levels, Roll 1D clone is unstable on a roll of 1-3. If force sensitive unstable on a roll of 1-5.

[garhkal]

Very nice.. I like the quickness you came up with that.

Though i wonder why you listed the liver with kidneys as a "secondary" organ.
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[Luwingo_Spince]

lol easily fixed changed to gall bladder. Adjusted the difficulties and added some rules on the times. Let me know if that makes sense.

Ok on to mechanics of cloning.

First off its been established that a live donor is needed to have a successful cloning. Why this is needed is baffling since you could just grow the dna from the first donation in a lab. Perhaps the midichlorians die off when not in a body thus damaging the final product? Anyways...

The reason I bring this up would like to have a rule if you are not using a live original donor but cloning from a clone that there are copying errors, perhaps a -1D from a random attribute for every generation removed from the original donor?

Next, what does cloning actually do? I see it and I think that the evidence supports that it you get the basic template of the person but none of their skills.

The dark empire sourcebook says this " While useful for spawning identical physical specimens on a huge scale, the downside is that the clones are without the personality of the original. They must be taught everything from scratch. Since environment is equally important to the development of the clone, individual clones, while starting out as genetically identical, may develop diverging and distinct identities".

So in game terms a clone would inherit the Attributes of the donor but not their skills. These would have to be trained either through flash training or the original method of teaching.

Perhaps through flash training they gain 7D of skills like a beginning character and can however increase skills at half Character Point cost up until to skill level of the original clone.

I think I've seen others talk about doing a download of the original donor to get a exact copy of the character. I want to know where we can see this happening. Flash training is quick but has been shown to produce inferior clones to traditional training. It sure didn't happen with Jango since the kaminos spent nearly 10 years training the clones and they weren't the same caliber as him. That could have been because they wanted more docile troopers but I want to know if there is something I'm missing in the EU where this happened.

Next Genetic Modification.

In the dark empire sourcebook talking about the emperor's cloning it says "In time, his scientists perfected his base genetic patterns to create bodies with enhanced intelligence, stamina, strength and agility." We also see this in the EU where the kaminos created the null Arcs.

So how is this done evidently by altering the dna and also (again dark empire SB) "by varying the composition of the nutrient bath, it is possible to alter the clone to enhance certain physical characteristics.

So Knowledge, Dexterity, Strength, Perception can definitely be enhanced . Could TECH and MECH?

How to implement these in Game terms?
Perhaps as different additives to the Nutrient bath? Cost, slightly increased difficulty to clone
Changes in the Dna code? Increased difficulty to clone.

We probably would have to establish that you couldn't exceed species maximums or maybe slighty exceed species maximums (+1D)

[garhkal]

I don't see Nutrient bath differences allowing exceeding of racial max, but i can easily see genetic re-coding/manipulation doing so.

AS to the mech/tech issue, i see those as something not hardwired part of you, much like you do. So a clone would copy (IMO) the Str/Dex/Per and Know of the person, while Mech and Tech would evenly split what remains of the 18 (or 12D) of attributes.
AS for the Flash training, i see it working similar to the Synaptic teacher. AS long as you have the time to download the data (and a suitable level data chip installed) you can 'skill them up for anything'.
BUT i could see it working similar to how the Arnie film The Sixth day, did where they did an engramming of the mind at time X and copied from that point to the clone.

As for the live/dead tissue issue, i see it more as once dead, the tissues start deteriorating, so any clone formed from that would suffer that issue too.

For the copy of a copy issue, i can see a 'degrading issue' as well, to where say each time you clone from an existing clone, you get a +10 to the difficulty to do so, and any failure creates a poor copy (like you a -1d randomly assigned to one attribute).. But there should also be a 'critical' mass issue, where going beyond a certain point ruins the clone period (kind of like what happens with the Asgard in the Stargate series.).
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[Centinull]

[garhkal]

POssibly for the forceful removal of memory.. Much like the mindwipe force power gives a DSP.
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[Centinull]

Garhkul, I agree the context clues point in that direction but it leads me to fruther questions.
1.) Why would clones need a memory wipe ?
2.) Why would not wiping their memory award a DSP ?
3.) Why is it a mind "probe" if it's function is to induce Tabula Rasa ?

[garhkal]

Duno.. As to why its called a probe, maybe it actually goes INTO the brain (like a rectal probe)/?
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