Of Gunners, and full dodge..

[Fallon Kell]

[vanir]

Space units aren't statically defined but logic and inferrence suggests they're relative values based on movement in varied mediums, ie. space units in high object population interplanetary space are much smaller than space units in deep, interstellar space.

I use an RP abstraction that gunners have an effective visual range for the same class of ship equivalent to short range on the weapon system in use. So roughly, starfighter sized craft you've a chance to spot from 3-5 space units range with visual searches in a populated star system with signal pollution, planetoids and debris, and starship traffic.
A cruiser you can start tracking over open sights from 10-15 space units or so.

For that to be possible, space units in heavily populated interplanetary space, high traffic conditions, would have to be dozens, at most hundreds of kilometres.

Otherwise your visual range would always be less than one space unit. You could never see anything without sensors or telescopics when in a starship, I like to bring back the element of dogfighting and visual combat at short ranges in our House rules, but enforce great distances and terrific starship speeds by enforcing a cut-off for visual range where you have to then rely on BVR and sensor arrays to fight.

The only WEG measure given is that low orbit (ca.150km) is 1 space unit from a planet, but a high orbit (ca.30,000km) is only 3 space units.

It's a bit weird, and elicits that space units are relative distances that may relate to how starship propulsion works in SWU. One "move" close to a planet covers much less physical distance than one "move" in interstellar deep space.

[Random_Axe]

[Centinull]

Yes, added to the difficulty to hit the dodging vehicle.

Nothing says gunners on the dodging vehicles, who aren't the pilot, have a harder time hitting targets.

Characters can not make a full dodge and shoot, since their full attention is on dodging. Gunners on a ship aren't making a full dodge, the pilot is.

Dedicated gunners don't just sit around doing nothing just because the pilot is making evasive maneuvers. The difference between a dodge and full doge is how much attention the pilot is dedicating to it. The gunner is free to focus all his attention on targets either way.

[cheshire]

[Centinull]

Hey Chesire, I understand the GM's perogative to house rule something like that. What I was trying to point out to Random_Axe was that the text he quoted doesn't support it in an Rules As Written capacity.

[Random_Axe]

Whoops. You are right. But I definitely do remember reading a definite rule that said a full-dodging vehicle makes it more difficult for its own gunners to hit anything (for the reasoning as given by Cheshire.

Will do some more looking-up later on.

[vanir]

It does sound familiar, maybe the 1e rules companion?

[Random_Axe]

[griff]

I believe I might still have 1e rules companion . I'll check when I get home.
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[griff]

Sorry, it was the 1e campaign guide, that I have.
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[vanir]

Our group actually still uses some 1e RAW from rules companion, because the group started when 1e was current and that book had just hit the stores. We've discussed and decided only to add rules from later additions when they were better rules, so some 1e RC rules like reactionary shields usage for full shields dice against any attack in the round, on any firing arc, we've kept stuff like that.
From 2e we kept the scaling and coordinated tables (which was actually introduced in the 1e RC, so we kept a few things from that book and honestly, it works fantastic in our game).