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Argamoth
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 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Raising Attributes |
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| Question about raising one's attributes with CP and training: Do you roll the species' max every time they attempt an increase, or only when they reach the max? |
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Endwyn
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Every time. If a human is trying to go from 2d to 2d+1 and the 4D come up all ones and the 2d+1 don't come up all ones, well...bye bye character points. It can be a sad roll when you know you shouldn't have had a problem at all.
Our group used a house rule so you didn't lose all the character points when you lost that roll. For a short time it was you got them all back, then it went to half. I think that's where it stayed. But again, that was a house rule.
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KageRyu
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I was sure that in 2nd R&E it said you get half the CP back on a failed attribute increase. I'll need to re check that (I need to get a hard copy of this book).
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Argamoth
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks. I was a bit confused. Now I can make specie stat ranges a bit more accurate. |
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Endwyn
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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It may in R&E. This is something we started in second, so at the time we instated it, it was a house rule. That'd be cool if it was now a core rule.
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garhkal
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Endwyn, as per 2nd ed R&E, you only have to do the roll off when trying to go above species Max. Basing off the write up for the examples where thannik is increasing his know from 2d+2 to 3d, we see there is no roll (page 35). BUT on the second example (page 35 and 36) where they are trying to take Dex above 4d (human max) there is a roll.
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Esjs
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Endwyn, as per 2nd ed R&E, you only have to do the roll off when trying to go above species Max. Basing off the write up for the examples where thannik is increasing his know from 2d+2 to 3d, we see there is no roll (page 35). BUT on the second example (page 35 and 36) where they are trying to take Dex above 4d (human max) there is a roll. |
Whew! I thought I was going crazy there for a moment... "I don't remember having to roll to increase my attribute... the CP cost was big enough!"
Of course, I didn't think you could go above species max either.
Reading the "Improving Attributes" rules and examples on the pages mentioned, it seems to me that some words are missing from the second colored block, which is probably causing some confusion.
I think it should say something like:
| Quote: | | There is a limit to how high an attribute can go -- a person can only be so smart or strong. To raise an attribute above the species' max, the character spends the Character Points and the time training as normal. At the end of the training time, the character rolls the new attribute die code. The gamemaster must roll the attribute's maximum... |
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