Odd Firearm stat question

[Bren]

[CRMcNeill]

[Bren]

[CRMcNeill]

[Naaman]

A 30.06 revolver is interesting and I've actually played with the idea of revolver blasters in D6SW... It was a fun experiment.

As for recoil, I would have to assert that recoil should not at all affect the first shot. Especially if the shooter is going to specialize in the weapon. Second, with the revolvers (in case you want this level of detail) you would need to determine what "feel" you're going for. Will it be a double action/single action, double action only, or single action only?

In effect, DA/SA can be manually cocked to reduce the amount of trigger squeeze necessary (this DRAMATICALLY improves the ease of landing an accurate shot), or can be fired in DA for "rapid fire" necessity. Each pull of the trigger cocks and releases the hammer. The cocking of the trigger by this method increases both the tension on the trigger and the distance it must be pulled before the shot is fired.

Double action only means that no manual cocking is possible, and single action only means that you must manually cock the hammer before each shot.

This is different than semi-autos because the "auto" in semi-auto refers to the weapon's ability to automatically load a round and cock its own hammer during recoil, thus setting up the user for the next shot.

The person who posted above is correct, though: recoil is totally irrelevant to the first shot: by the time the weapon moves, the bullet has probably already hit the target (depending on distance, of course).

For what it's worth, I'd imagine that 30.06 out of a pistol sized weapon would generate massive recoil... possibly to the point that only one accurate shot is possible per round (somewhat like a .500 S&W). It's one of the reasons why tactical units don't use giant caliber rounds such as .50 AE (desert eagle): too much recoil to get off quick follow up shots.

If that's what you're going for (the "flavor" of a big, trusty "hand" gun that is so powerful it knocks the shooter on his butt), I think it's cool. I created a bounty hunter NPC like that (he used very primitive blasters that required charging/cocking before each shot) just for the cool factor. Plus, it's scarier to the PCs for some reason.

[ZzaphodD]

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Sorry, this was going to much into gun-nut territory details...
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[Bren]

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[garhkal]

[Esoomian]

[thedemonapostle]

this is a video of a .30-06 single shot pistol made by magnum research, the same guys that make the .50 desert eagle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggMnvlKr6k8

the video clearly shows him using a stable platform to increase accuracy. is shows obvious recoil. the thing about recoil is that it removes your sight picture. to accurately shoot a weapon it is recommended to have a good sight picture. otherwise you can just hip fire and that takes years of practice to become proficient at. otherwise you can do whats be termed as "spray and pray" which is just rapid fire or cyclic fire in the hopeful general direction of the target and pray that of of the many rounds hits the target.

that said i still hold firm that recoil should have some kind of effect upon the user. unless you come up with some kind of recoil compensation thats built into the weapon. shadowrun has options that might help. also some real world guns use a recoiling barrel to help with recoil, but these are usually on larger caliber rifles.

just another thought, has anyone ever had a misfire happen to their players in game? im asking cause on the radio a dude took his girlfriend's gun out of her purse and put it down the front of his pants and shot his junk off and put a hole in his leg.
as a GM i enjoy doing that kind of stuff to uninformed players. also if theyre using full auto fire arms theres the risk of having a runaway gun, meaning the gun will continue to fire without the trigger pulled until it either jams and explodes or runs out of ammo. this condition is very similar to non-full auto weapons "cooking one off". which is defined as the weapon being too hot from over use and it ignites the round thus firing the weapon. the trigger does not have to be pulled for this to happen. these situations and others like them can be fun tools to add to the action and fun of the game.
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[garhkal]

Interesting suggestion on the skill specialty neutering some of the recoil, but is that not giving a double advantage to it since they already will be rolling higher?

Now some of the weapons do have a min str (to absorb the recoil) from, such as with the 2 heaviest sniper rifles. Don't have the min, each pip less, when you shoot it, you take 1d damage..

EG Barret.50 takes a 3d+2 to use effectively with no damage. A 2d pc could use it but each shot he would take 5d in damage..
There are recoil compensators which add 1d to your 'strength' rating for said damage avoidance.
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